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Series [Solved!]
Swalay 07 Sep 2016, 04:06
My question
56, 55, 52, 45 ... ...
Find the nth term the above series.
Relevant page
Series and the Binomial Theorem
What I've done so far
Factors of
56 - 2, 2, 1 14
55 - 1, 1, 5, 11
52 - 2, 2, 1 13
45 - 3, 3, 5
I am really stuck???
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56, 55, 52, 45 ... ...
Find the nth term the above series.
Relevant page
<a href="/series-binomial-theorem/series-introduction.php">Series and the Binomial Theorem</a>
What I've done so far
Factors of
56 - 2, 2, 1 14
55 - 1, 1, 5, 11
52 - 2, 2, 1 13
45 - 3, 3, 5
I am really stuck???
Re: Series
Murray 07 Sep 2016, 07:51
Is it an arithmetic progression? (How do you know?)
Or is it a geometric one? (How do you know?)
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Is it an arithmetic progression? (How do you know?)
Or is it a geometric one? (How do you know?)
Re: Series
Swalay 07 Sep 2016, 16:41
I cannot find any order!!!!!!
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I cannot find any order!!!!!!
Re: Series
Murray 07 Sep 2016, 18:47
Our process is to decide what kind of progression it is. Can you answer my 4 questions?
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Our process is to decide what kind of progression it is. Can you answer my 4 questions?
Re: Series
Swalay 07 Sep 2016, 22:05
The series has a decreasing tendency.
The difference between the figures are:
-1, -3, -7
(-5 is missing in the range)
Say it is -1, -3, -7, -11, -17, -19
there is a jump over every 3rd number.
The series is 56, 55, 52, 45, 34, 17, -2
As such it is an AP.
As for geometric progression(GP), the figures do no have a common ratio as shown below and hence is not a GP.
56 55 52 45
55/56 52/55 45/52
0.982142857 0.945454545 0.865384615
It looks to be more an AP than a GP.
Now I cannot find the nth terms. The reason is that I have gone wrong in my analysis.
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The series has a decreasing tendency.
The difference between the figures are:
-1, -3, -7
(-5 is missing in the range)
Say it is -1, -3, -7, -11, -17, -19
there is a jump over every 3rd number.
The series is 56, 55, 52, 45, 34, 17, -2
As such it is an AP.
As for geometric progression(GP), the figures do no have a common ratio as shown below and hence is not a GP.
56 55 52 45
55/56 52/55 45/52
0.982142857 0.945454545 0.865384615
It looks to be more an AP than a GP.
Now I cannot find the nth terms. The reason is that I have gone wrong in my analysis.
Re: Series
Swalay 07 Sep 2016, 22:08
What is the nth term?
Re: Series
Murray 08 Sep 2016, 05:16
You're right that it seems to be more like an AP, but it's not, and neither is your example, 56, 55, 52, 45, 34, 17, -2, since there is no common difference.
Please also note it's not a series (where the terms are added) - it's a progression (where there is some common pattern between each of the terms).
I believe in this case there is not enough information. When it's neither AP nor GP, we usually need more terms to decide what's going on. Sometimes people make up some pattern that seems consistent to them, but I don't believe that is the case here.
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You're right that it seems to be more like an AP, but it's not, and neither is your example, 56, 55, 52, 45, 34, 17, -2, since there is no common difference.
Please also note it's not a series (where the terms are added) - it's a progression (where there is some common pattern between each of the terms).
I believe in this case there is not enough information. When it's neither AP nor GP, we usually need more terms to decide what's going on. Sometimes people make up some pattern that seems consistent to them, but I don't believe that is the case here.
Re: Series
Swalay 08 Sep 2016, 12:56
Thank you very much
Re: Series
Majid67 07 Jul 2018, 15:14
There are many solutions of the nth term for your question such as
the nth term= (-1)/3 n^3+n^2-5/3 n+57
or
the nth term= 57+n-2^n
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There are many solutions of the nth term for your question such as
the nth term= (-1)/3 n^3+n^2-5/3 n+57
or
the nth term= 57+n-2^nRe: Series
Murray 07 Jul 2018, 21:59
@Majid67: It appears we gave up too easily.
Original sequence: 56, 55, 52, 45, ...
Using your first proposed expression,
nth term `= -1/3 n^3+n^2-5/3 n+57`
When `n=1,`
`-1/3 (1)^3+(1)^2-5/3(1)+57 ` `= (-1)/3+1-5/3+57 = 56` (OK)
When `n=2,`
`-1/3 (2)^3+(2)^2-5/3(2)+57 ` `= (-8)/3+4-10/3+57 = 55` (OK)
When `n=3,`
`-1/3 (3)^3+(3)^2-5(3/3)+57 ` `= (-27)/3+9-15/3+57 = 52` (OK)
When `n=4,`
`-1/3 (4)^3+(4)^2-5(4/3)+57 ` `= (-64)/3+16-20/3+57 = 45` (OK)
Using your second proposed expression,
nth term `= 57+n-2^n`
When `n=1,`
`57+1-2^1 = 57+1-2 = 56` (OK)
When `n=2,`
`57+2-2^2 = 57+2-4 = 55` (OK)
When `n=3,`
`57+3-2^3 = 57+3-8 = 52` (OK)
When `n=4,`
`57+4-2^4 = 57+4-16 = 45` (OK)
So both expressions look good! Thanks for your inputs, Majid67.
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@Majid67: It appears we gave up too easily.
Original sequence: 56, 55, 52, 45, ...
Using your first proposed expression,
nth term `= -1/3 n^3+n^2-5/3 n+57`
When `n=1,`
`-1/3 (1)^3+(1)^2-5/3(1)+57 ` `= (-1)/3+1-5/3+57 = 56` (OK)
When `n=2,`
`-1/3 (2)^3+(2)^2-5/3(2)+57 ` `= (-8)/3+4-10/3+57 = 55` (OK)
When `n=3,`
`-1/3 (3)^3+(3)^2-5(3/3)+57 ` `= (-27)/3+9-15/3+57 = 52` (OK)
When `n=4,`
`-1/3 (4)^3+(4)^2-5(4/3)+57 ` `= (-64)/3+16-20/3+57 = 45` (OK)
Using your second proposed expression,
nth term `= 57+n-2^n`
When `n=1,`
`57+1-2^1 = 57+1-2 = 56` (OK)
When `n=2,`
`57+2-2^2 = 57+2-4 = 55` (OK)
When `n=3,`
`57+3-2^3 = 57+3-8 = 52` (OK)
When `n=4,`
`57+4-2^4 = 57+4-16 = 45` (OK)
So both expressions look good! Thanks for your inputs, Majid67.
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