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phinah 12 Jul 2017, 11:11
My question
On this site under Algebra: Inequalities - Lesson 3 - Example 2:
Can you break down the factoring of x^3 - 4x^2 + x + 6 < 0 or give me the right starting point?
Thanks.
Relevant page
3. Solving Non-Linear Inequalties
What I've done so far
I used grouping.
x^3 - 4x^2 + x + 6 < 0
x^3 - 4X^2) + x + 6 <0
X^2(X-4)+(X+6)<0
(X^2+1)(X-4)(X+6)<0
So the roots given this way are different from the roots given in the solution.
X
On this site under Algebra: Inequalities - Lesson 3 - Example 2:
Can you break down the factoring of x^3 - 4x^2 + x + 6 < 0 or give me the right starting point?
Thanks.
Relevant page
<a href="/inequalities/3-solving-non-linear-inequalities.php">3. Solving Non-Linear Inequalties</a>
What I've done so far
I used grouping.
x^3 - 4x^2 + x + 6 < 0
x^3 - 4X^2) + x + 6 <0
X^2(X-4)+(X+6)<0
(X^2+1)(X-4)(X+6)<0
So the roots given this way are different from the roots given in the solution.
Re: Inequalities
Murray 17 Jul 2017, 23:47
Phinah
You can do grouping only if the expressions in brackets are the same.
So if our question was like this:
Factor `x^3 - 6x^2 + x - 6`
Then we would proceed as follows:
`x^3 - 6x^2 + x - 6 = x^2(x-6) + (x-6)`
Now we can group them like this:
`(x^2 + 1)(x - 6)`
But in the example you are talking about, `x^3 - 4x^2 + x + 6`, there is no common part that we can extract into brackets.
For this problem (if you have to do it on paper rather than using a computer), you would need to use the techniques given in this section (which is what I linked to in my solution on that page):
Factor and Remainder Theorems
By the way, be careful with upper- and lower-case variables.
In mathematics, `X` does not equal `x`. They stand for different numbers.
X
Phinah
You can do grouping only if the expressions in brackets are <b>the same</b>.
So if our question was like this:
Factor `x^3 - 6x^2 + x - 6`
Then we would proceed as follows:
`x^3 - 6x^2 + x - 6 = x^2(x-6) + (x-6)`
Now we can group them like this:
`(x^2 + 1)(x - 6)`
But in the example you are talking about, `x^3 - 4x^2 + x + 6`, there is no common part that we can extract into brackets.
For this problem (if you have to do it on paper rather than using a computer), you would need to use the techniques given in this section (which is what I linked to in my solution on that page):
<a href="http://www.intmath.com/equations-of-higher-degree/2-factor-remainder-theorems.php">Factor and Remainder Theorems</a>
By the way, be careful with upper- and lower-case variables.
In mathematics, `X` does not equal `x`. They stand for different numbers.
Re: Inequalities
phinah 21 Jul 2017, 10:30
But the issue is that in the Remainder and Factor Theorems page, with each example and exercise, we are given a factor from the start along with the polynomial. For instance, Examples 2 and 3:(x-2), Example 4: (x + 4), etc.
With this inequality example that I am trying to factor, we cannot immediately use those methods without first having a starting point. I want to learn to do it on paper. That is why I was asking for a starting point. I see none. Thanks.
X
But the issue is that in the <a href="http://www.intmath.com/equations-of-higher-degree/2-factor-remainder-theorems.php">Remainder and Factor Theorems</a> page, with each example and exercise, we are given a factor from the start along with the polynomial. For instance, Examples 2 and 3:(x-2), Example 4: (x + 4), etc.
With this inequality example that I am trying to factor, we cannot immediately use those methods without first having a starting point. I want to learn to do it on paper. That is why I was asking for a starting point. I see none. Thanks.
Re: Inequalities
Murray 06 Aug 2017, 05:15
Hello Phinah. It's just trial and error with a bit of careful observation.
Look at the final number in your example question. It's 6. We can multiply the following to get 6:
`1 xx 6`
`-1 xx -6`
`2 xx 3`
`-2 xx -3`
So that gives me a big hint that one of the following numbers will be a good place to start:
`-6, -3, -2, -1, 1, 2, 3, 6`
You just keep going until you hit one that "works" (that is, when you substitute it into the polynomial, it will give you `0`.)
X
Hello Phinah. It's just trial and error with a bit of careful observation.
Look at the final number in your example question. It's 6. We can multiply the following to get 6:
`1 xx 6`
`-1 xx -6`
`2 xx 3`
`-2 xx -3`
So that gives me a big hint that one of the following numbers will be a good place to start:
`-6, -3, -2, -1, 1, 2, 3, 6`
You just keep going until you hit one that "works" (that is, when you substitute it into the polynomial, it will give you `0`.)
Re: Inequalities
phinah 18 Aug 2017, 15:30
I worked it out by using the rational root, remainder, and factor theorems. Thank you for showing me!
X
I worked it out by using the rational root, remainder, and factor theorems. Thank you for showing me!
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