{"id":4746,"date":"2010-06-15T13:41:59","date_gmt":"2010-06-15T05:41:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.intmath.com\/blog\/?p=4746"},"modified":"2014-11-21T18:04:47","modified_gmt":"2014-11-21T10:04:47","slug":"summation-notation","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.intmath.com\/blog\/mathematics\/summation-notation-4746","title":{"rendered":"Summation notation"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I had the following exchange with a reader over the last few weeks.<\/p>\n<p>It's long (over 2 parts), but if you want to understand summation notation, it's worth reading!<\/p>\n<p>This post also demonstrates the Socratic Approach to math teaching, where the teacher gives space for the learner to figure things out for themselves.<\/p>\n<p>The exchange was done entirely in Google Docs and I have just pasted it here.<\/p>\n<p>Note how respectful Yousuf is. I don't mind helping him at all as he is willing to show his appreciation at every step. Sadly, not everyone responds like this.<\/p>\n<p>My replies throughout are in <b>bold<\/b>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Yousuf asks:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Hi again sir<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for reading this sir, I greatly appreciate your kind support.<\/p>\n<p>Sir, this is the very last question on that exercise on sequences. This one's a lot different and I've a feeling it's going to be a lot more difficult especially considering the way it's written.<\/p>\n<p>The question is ...<\/p>\n<p><b>14. Given that:<\/b><\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{r=n+3}^{2n}{r=312} \" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0000.png\"><\/p>\n<p><b>find the value of n.<\/b><\/p>\n<p>OK the expression's turned out kind of unusually, but just to confirm:<\/p>\n<p>The 2n is supposed to above the sigma sign and the r=n+3 part is supposed to be below it.<\/p>\n<p>I don't understand anything about this particular expression and if it's got anything to do with that previous thing we did about those sigma equations, I have no idea what to do here sir!<\/p>\n<p>I'd be very grateful if you could please help me on this one sir<\/p>\n<p>Thanks again sir, I really appreciate your time \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>Yousuf.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><b>Me:<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>OK. First question - write out what this means:<\/b><\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=1}^{5}{a^2} \" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0001.png\">  <\/p>\n<p><strong>This will help: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.intmath.com\/fourier-series\/helpful-revision.php#sum\">Helpful revision<\/a> <\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Hi again sir,<\/p>\n<p>It just means ...<\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=1}^{5}{a^2} = 1^2+2^2+3^2+4^2+5^2=1+4+9+16+25=55\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0002.png\"><\/p>\n<p>Thanks sir<\/p>\n<p>Yousuf\n<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><b>Correct.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>OK, next, what is <\/b><br \/>\n    <img alt=\"\\sum_{a=x+1}^{5}{(a)} \" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0003.png\"><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Hi again sir,<\/p>\n<p>Would it be ...<\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=x+1}^{5}{(a)} = 2+3+4+5+6=20\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0004.png\" style=\"vertical-align:-8px\"> ???????????????<\/p>\n<p>Thanks \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>Yousuf<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><b>Where did your 2 come from?? And how do you know it is 5 terms?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>Go back to the first example, which you did properly. It said \"start at a=1\" at the bottom of the Sum sign, which you did. You substituted in 1 and got 1^2.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>Then you added 1 and got 2, and substituted that in and got 2^2<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>You stopped when you got to 5, since that is on the top of the Sum sign.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>Now, go back to my second question and start where it says to start, and finish where it says to finish.<\/b><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Hi again sir<\/p>\n<p>Mmmm....I first thought that we always start with 1, but it seems I'm wrong clearly.<\/p>\n<p>If we start at a = x+1, would it then be ...<\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=x+1}^{5}{(a)} = (x+1)+2(x+1)+3(x+1)+4(x+1)+5(x+1)\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0005.png\"> <\/p>\n<p>And terminate at 5(x+1) since it's the last one?<\/p>\n<p>Thanks again sir \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>Yousuf<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><b>We are getting somewhere, but it's not quite right yet.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>1. There is no MULTIPLY in the question, so why are you multiplying?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>2. The number at the top is 5, so that should be the last number.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>3. Once again, you have 5 terms. How do you know it is 5 terms?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>Pls read my summary above about the things you did right before.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>Try again ^_^<\/b><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Sorry sir, but I have no idea. I'm always thinking we start off with a = 1 in all these sequences, but again I have no idea what to do here.<\/p>\n<p>Right, I think the first term would definately be ...<\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=x+1}^{5}{(a)} = (x+1)\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0006.png\"><\/p>\n<p>Because we substitute a = x+1 into (a). But how do we get to 5?<\/p>\n<p>What I did in the last example was that I subbed a = 1 into (a^2) and followed throughout using the natural numbers 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 (with 5 being the last one).<\/p>\n<p>This one's confusing because it's x+1 which I'm not sure if I am to use the natural numbers, then this means it'll be 2, 4, 6, 8, 10???<\/p>\n<p>Yousuf.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"webkit-indent-blockquote\" style=\"MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 40px\">\n<p><b>This bit you said is quite correct:<\/b>  <\/p>\n<p>What I did in the last example was that I subbed a = 1 into (a^2) and followed throughout using the natural numbers 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 (with 5 being the last one).<\/p>\n<p><b>And what you did above was correct, starting with (x + 1).<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>(1) For the second term: add 1 to (x + 1)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>(2) For the 3rd term: add 1 again, and so on.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>(3) As I have hinted several times, there is not (necessarily) 5 terms<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>(4) What is the last term?<\/b><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Hi again sir<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for replying back sir \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>But I thought the number above sigma indicates the number of terms (so in the case of <\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=x+1}^{5}{(a)} = (x+1)\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0006.png\" \/>, <\/p>\n<p>there should be 5 terms in the sequence shouldn't there???)<\/p>\n<p>The textbook I have says this and also says if its infinity instead of 5, for example, then the sequence goes on and on. But the number above sigma essentially means there's a restriction to the number of terms in that sequence doesn't it??<\/p>\n<p>But even then sir, if<\/p>\n<p> <img alt=\"\\sum_{a=x+1}^{5}{(a)} = (x+1)\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0006.png\"><\/p>\n<p>then wouldn't the second term be a + (x+1), like ...<\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=x+1}^{5}{(a)} = (x+1)+[(x+1)+(x+1)]+[(x+1)+(x+1)+(x+1)] \\ . \\ . \\ .\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0007.png\"><br \/>\n  ... since we're adding on (x+1) because a = (x+1)??<\/p>\n<p>Sorry sir, but this is the first time I've come across an expression of this kind and I'm sure it's covered in the pure algebra units after (actually I just checked in the books and it isn't)!<\/p>\n<p>Sorry sir, but could you please explain what is meant by the part <img loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"a=x+1\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0008.png\" width=\"64\" height=\"15\"> and if you do substitute this into <b>a<\/b>, do you then <b>always (including for all other related expressions under sigma)<\/b> add 1 all the time??<\/p>\n<p>The only thing I do have in the textbooks similar to this is this ...<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/scan.png\" width=\"480\" height=\"342\" alt=\"textbook scan\" \/><\/p>\n<p><\/i>And still, I don't know what's going on.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks again sir, and I'm really sorry I hope you can understand this is the first time I've come across something like this. The textbook has concentrated on an isolated value of a throughout.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks again sir \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>Yousuf.<i><\/i><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><b>No need to apologise! You are right - this is the first time you are coming across this.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>But please realise - in the \"real world\" we come across novel problems and what we need to do is to apply what we already know.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>That's what they are trying to do here - get you to apply what you know in a novel situation.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>Your answer above is getting closer, but still not quite. You have added (x + 1), each time, not \"1\" as it should be.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>I can understand why that textbook example didn't help at all!! Yet another case where they just assume you can figure it out.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b> OK - back to the problem.<\/b><\/p>\n<p>  <b>It will only be 5 terms if you have a simple case like the one I gave you earlier. Only one variable is involved (a), and so there are 5 terms.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=1}^{5}a=1+2+3+4+5\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0009.png\"><\/p>\n<p><b>In summary, write the first number given at the bottom, add one to it then add that to the first number given, then add 1 again, add that to the other 2 already there.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>That's our process, whether we know an actual value for the first term or not.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>Question - is there an \"a\" in my expansion above?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>Now, try to expand these ones. I hope they lead you to enlightenment!<\/b><\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=2}^{5}a\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0010.png\"><\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=4}^{5}a\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0011.png\">\n  <\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=-1}^{5}a\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0012.png\"><\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=0}^{5}a\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0013.png\">\n  <\/p>\n<p><b> Were there 5 terms for each of the above? Did \"a\" appear in any of your answers?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=t}^{5}a\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0014.png\"><\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=x}^{5}a\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0015.png\"><\/p>\n<p>      <strong>The above 2 answers should be almost identical, except for the letters you use. HINT: There will be no \"a\" in the answer.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Now try this one again:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><i><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=x+1}^{5}a\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0016.png\"><br \/>\n  <\/i><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Hi sir<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for reading this, and I'm sorry for not having replied back sooner.<\/p>\n<p>Right, I'll give each one  a go...<\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=2}^{5}a=3+4+5=12\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0017.png\"> <\/p>\n<p>substituting values from a = 2 to a = 5<b> <\/b><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><b>Correct - finishes when a = 5. There are 3 terms only in the series (not 5).<\/b><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=4}^{5}a=4+5=9\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0018.png\">  <\/p>\n<p>substituting values from a = 4 to a = 5<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><b>Correct - finishes when a = 5. There are 2 terms only in the series (not 5).<\/b>\n<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=-1}^{5}a=-1+0+1+2+3+4+5=14\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0019.png\">  <\/p>\n<p> substituing values from a =  -1 to a = 5<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><b>Correct - finishes when a = 5. There are 7 terms in the series (not 5).<\/b>\n<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=0}^{5}a=0+1+2+3+4+5=15\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0020.png\">      <\/p>\n<p>substituting values from a = 0 to a = 5<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><b>Correct - finishes when a = 5. There are 6 terms in the series (not 5)<\/b><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_9000.png\" alt=\"math\" width=\"331\" height=\"79\"><\/p>\n<p>...subbing values from a = t to a = t + 4<\/p>\n<p>The last term has to be [t+4] because if a = 1, then the last term would be 5, in that [4+1] = [5].<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><b>NOT correct - you have not finished with a = 5. Why are there 5 terms in your series? I keep hinting there will NOT be 5 terms in the series!! (The start is correct)<\/b> <\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_9001.png\" alt=\"math\" width=\"352\" height=\"79\"><\/p>\n<p>... subbing values from a = x to a = x+4<\/p>\n<p>The same condition would apply here also as said before.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><b>NOT correct - you have not finished with a = 5, again. Why are there 5 terms in your series? (The start is correct)<\/b><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><i><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=x+1}^{5}a\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0016.png\"><\/i><\/p>\n<p>The expression itself is saying that the first number, a, will be such that it will be +1 that of the first term, namely 1. <\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><b>[NO - this is not what it is saying. Look at your correct patterns above!] <\/b><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>For this one, what I plan to do is to start with the number 2 since a = x + 1, then the first term would be 2 as a = (1) + 1 = 2. The last term would then be 5 since <i>a<\/i> requires the sequence of natural numbers, therefore ...<\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=x+1}^{5}a=2+3+4+5=14\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0023.png\"><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><strong>NOT correct - you have not started correctly, using the correct pattern from above. But yay - we don't have 5 terms in the series!!<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Did I do those OK sir?<\/p>\n<p>Thanks so much sir \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>Yousuf.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Hi again sir<\/p>\n<p>I'll give it another go...<\/p>\n<p> <img alt=\"\\sum_{a=2}^{5}a=3+4+5=12\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0017.png\"><\/p>\n<p>In this example, what I did was that I substituted a = 2 as the first term, and then continued using the natural numbers until I reached a = 5.<\/p>\n<p>In the case of ...<\/p>\n<p> <img alt=\"\\sum_{a=t}^{5}a\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0014.png\"><\/p>\n<p>... what I think it is saying is that the first term is a = t and the series will end when we reach a = 5.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><b>But you didn't start with 2 above! What you wrote above is correct, but none of the following expansions is correct.<\/b><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>(I know this is going to be wrong sir) Does that mean it will appear as ...<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0024.png\" alt=\"\\sum_{a=t}^{5}a=t+[t+1]+[t+2]+[t+3]+[t+4]+[t+5]=5t+15=5(t+3)\" width=\"382\" height=\"93\"><\/p>\n<p>or would it be ...<\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=t}^{5}a=t+5\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0025.png\"> <\/p>\n<p>since the first term is a = t and the last term is a = 5???<\/p>\n<p>Also, would the next one be...<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0026.png\" alt=\"\\sum_{a=x}^{5}a=x+++++=5x+15=5(x+3)\" width=\"411\" height=\"112\"><\/p>\n<p>or would it be ...<\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=x}^{5}a=x+5\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0027.png\"> (since the first term is a = x and the last term is a = 5???)<\/p>\n<p>OK since that is that done (hopefully right)...<\/p>\n<p> <img alt=\"\\sum_{a=x+1}^{5}a\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0016.png\"><\/p>\n<p>IN all honestly sir, I still don't know what it's asking. Is this going to be an algebraic sequence if it's not numeric?<\/p>\n<p>Because I don't understand that if a = x+1, then what will this number be? I first thought it'd be 2, but if it's algebraic, then wouldn't it be (x+1).<\/p>\n<p>If it's (x+1), then shouldn't the next terms be ...<\/p>\n<p>(x+1) + 1<\/p>\n<p>(x+1) + 2<\/p>\n<p>(x+1) + 3<\/p>\n<p>(x+1) + 4<\/p>\n<p>(x+1) + 5\n<\/p>\n<p>So<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_9002.png\" alt=\"math\" width=\"406\" height=\"107\"><\/p>\n<p>I know it's going to be wrong sir, but I honestly don't have any other clue what else it could be?<\/p>\n<p>Thanks again sir \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>Yousuf.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><b>You are so close, but you can't seem to accept the idea of a variable number of terms. You also need to finish with the number at the top.<\/p>\n<p>      OK - try these. (And please, DON'T write out every term!!, and don't worry about finding a final answer as a single number. We are only interested in the expansion.)<\/p>\n<p>\n      <img alt=\"\\sum_{a=0}^{3000}{a \" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0029.png\"><\/p>\n<p>\n      <img alt=\"\\sum_{a=20}^{10000}{a} \" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0030.png\"><br \/>\n    <\/b><\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=20}^{n}{a} \" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0031.png\"><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Hi again sir<\/p>\n<p>I still don't get them sir, the ones for<\/p>\n<p> <img alt=\"\\sum_{a=t}^{5}a\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0014.png\"> <\/p>\n<p>(and the one with x) and also the one with<\/p>\n<p> <img alt=\"\\sum_{a=x+1}^{5}a\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0016.png\">.<\/p>\n<p>The ones above should be ...<\/p>\n<p> <img alt=\"\\sum_{a=0}^{3000}{a =0+. \\ . \\ . +3000\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0032.png\"><\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=20}^{10000}{a} = 20+. \\ . \\ . +1000\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0033.png\"><\/p>\n<p>and also<\/p>\n<p>\n<img alt=\"\\sum_{a=20}^{n}{a} = 20 + \\ . \\ . \\ . \\ +n\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0034.png\"><\/p>\n<p>... shouldn't they??<\/p>\n<p>Thanks again sir \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>Yousuf.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>\n      <b>CORRECT!! All 3 of these are correct. Now we are getting somewhere.<\/p>\n<p>      In the first 2 examples (up to 3000 and up to 10000) we know how many terms there are but write \"...\" to indicate the pattern keeps going UP TO the end number.<\/p>\n<p>      In the 3rd one, it finishes with \"n\". We don't know how many terms there are, but the \"...\" just means keep going up to n. We don't know what n is - we need more information to find it.<\/p>\n<p>      Now it's the same deal when we don't know what the STARTING value is. We just start with that value involving x (like you did successfully above), do a few terms, THEN PUT \"...\" to indicate missing terms, then FINISH  WITH THE TOP NUMBER (which in most of the above examples was 5.)<\/p>\n<p>      Now, would you like to try those expansions with x in them again?<br \/>\n      <\/b><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Hi again sir<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for reading this and apologies for not having replied back sooner.<\/p>\n<p>Right, I may get this wrong again sir, but does the following expand to...<\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=t}^{5}a=t+.\\ . \\ .\\ +5\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0035.png\"><\/p>\n<p>and<\/p>\n<p> <img alt=\"\\sum_{a=x}^{5}a=x+\\ . \\ . \\ . +5\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0036.png\"><\/p>\n<p>Sorry sir, but I'm convinced the above are incorrect, but I've drawn from the previous principle.<\/p>\n<p>I'm not quite sure if there is a pattern involving the first number (a = t or a = x) so I've assumed we start off with the first number as <i>t<\/i> or <i>x<\/i> and proceed therewith to the final number in the sequence, in both cases 5.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks again sir for your kind help and support \ud83d\ude41<\/p>\n<p>Yousuf.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><b>Hi again<\/p>\n<p>    You've got the first and last terms CORRECT!<\/p>\n<p>    Let's go back to this example. The proper expansion should have the first few terms and the last few terms, with \"...\" in the middle, like this:<br \/>\n  <\/b><\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=0}^{3000}{a =0+1+2+3+. \\ . \\ . +2998+2999+3000\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0037.png\"><\/p>\n<p>      <b>So try these again, but put in at least 3 terms before the \"...\" and 3 terms after.<\/b><\/p>\n<p>    <img alt=\"\\sum_{a=t}^{5}a=\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0038.png\"><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    <img alt=\"\\sum_{a=x}^{5}a=\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0039.png\"><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Hi again sir<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for replying back sir.<\/p>\n<p>Oh right, so would they be ..<\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=t}^{5}a=(t+1)+(t+2)+(t+3)+ . \\ . \\ . +5\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0040.png\"><\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=x}^{5}a=(x+1)+(x+2)+(x+3)+ . \\ . \\ . \\ +5\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0041.png\"><\/p>\n<p>Sir I know you might be thinking I've cheated above to not have put any values before 5 in each instance! But I'm not sure what goes after the \"+...+\". I was going to write <i>t<\/i>+<i>n<\/i> and <i>x+<\/i>n where <i>n<\/i> could be any number but haven't done so in knowing it's going to be wrong sir!!<\/p>\n<p>I know from the expressions that ...<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<p>The first term we start off with is t<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<p>The terminating term would be 5<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<p>The sequence follows the natural numbers i.e. 1, 2, 3, 4 ...<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>However, because <i>a<\/i> is an unknown value in both instances, we don't know what the number is so we start off with that and because the pattern follows natural numbers, we add 1 onto each consecutive term -  until we reach the ending term of 5.<\/p>\n<p>So I'm not 100% sure if we do use the term (a + t) or (a + x) before the 5 in this sir!<\/p>\n<p>Thanks again sir and I'm sorry if it's frustrating!!!  \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>Yousuf.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><b>Look at my 3000 example above to know what to do after the \"...\"! That's why I did it.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>Why are you now starting with (t+1) and (x+1), when the start values should be t and x??<\/b><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Hi again sir<\/p>\n<p>Sorry sir that's another silly mistake!<\/p>\n<p>Right so should it be  ...<\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"\\sum_{a=t}^{5}a=t+(t+1)+(t+2)+(t+3)+ . \\ . \\ . +(t+n)+5\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0042.png\"><\/p>\n<p>The reason why I've put in (t+n) is because t is a variable value and we can't say whether it's a fixed numeric value.<\/p>\n<p>I think the reason why we can write<\/p>\n<p> <img alt=\"\\sum_{a=0}^{3000}{a \" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/images\/EXTERN_0029.png\"><\/p>\n<p> in a way to exemplify 3 starting terms and the last 3 terminating terms including the final term is because <i>a<\/i> has a fixed value whereas in the expanded example, a is a variable value and could be any number so I can't work out sir how we can use three terms to exemplify the pattern before the final term.<\/p>\n<p>I'm sorry again sir because using a variable initial value in these kind of sequences is something I've come across just recently (well actually on this question in particular!)<\/p>\n<p>Thanks again sir and I'm sorry again for the inconvenience \ud83d\ude41<\/p>\n<p>Yousuf.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><b>Please look at my 3000 example from before. There is no \"n\" in it. If the last number is 3000, then the numbers leading up to it will be<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>... + 2998 + 2999 + 3000,<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>like I wrote. Now the numbers before 5 will be?? There certainly won't be an \"n\" in there.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>You have the beginning correct, now.<\/b><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<h2>Continuation of this exchange...<\/h2>\n<p>See the rest of this discussion here: <\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.intmath.com\/blog\/mathematics\/summation-notation-part-2-4747\">Summation Notation (part 2)<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"alt\">See the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.intmath.com\/blog\/mathematics\/summation-notation-4746#comments\" id=\"comms\">10 Comments<\/a> below.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.intmath.com\/blog\/mathematics\/summation-notation-4746\"><img loading=\"lazy\" src=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/images\/2010\/06\/summation-th.png\" alt=\"summation question\" title=\"summation\" width=\"128\" height=\"60\" class=\"imgRt\" \/><\/a>Yousuf has trouble understanding a question involving summation notation. 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